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The DC-DC power FAQ is divided in several
sections. You quickly can jump to the following categories:
General Power
consumption questions Peripherals
power consumption Battery/Car
operation Form
factor Board
types OEM
information
POWER
CONSUMPTION FAQ
Q) Can I power a P4 or Athlon
system? A) Yes. We've tested P4s at 3Ghz
and it works. Some motherboards are fussy, but a vast majority of
boards will work.
Q) How much power do I
need for my board?
A) Not much, if you are using VIA's
C3/C5Nehemiah mini-ITX boards. More power is usually needed only
when using Intel processors such as P4 architecture or when using
multiple 3.5" drives or regular sized CDROMs. In such scenarios,
please use the PW-120/200 models. These units provide ample power on
the 12V rail, generally used by P4s and drive motors. When not
using these configurations, the 12V rail consumption is well below
200mA!.
Q) You sell DC-DC converters that have
more power than your AC adapters, why? A) The total power
of our DC-DC adapters is a sum of the power on the 12V, 5, 3.3,
-12. While the DC-DC adapter is capable of handling lots of
Amps on certain rails, it is almost impossible to use all rails at
full power at the same time! As a result, a 60Watt adapter is more
than adequate for most mini-ITX applications. Read below for more
information. For P4 applications you will need a 90Watt of higher
power adapter.
Q) What are ATX power rails? A)
Standard ATX power supplies have several power rails, used by
various components. Our DC-DC converters take 12V in and produce
several ATX compliant voltages as follows:
| Rail |
Circuit Type |
Board Type |
Comments |
| 12V |
3.5", 5.25 motors, fans,
P4 power |
mostly P4 boards (lots of
power), FET drive on all boards (little power). |
Use PW-120/200 when
using 3.5" drives or P4s. |
| 5V |
General M/B and disk
circuitry, Memory, laptop drive motors. |
All Boards |
All our DC-DC converters
have adequate power on this rail |
| 3.3V |
CPU core, Memory |
EPIA-5000, 800, V,
M-10000, CL, EPIA-MS, etc |
All our DC-DC converters
have adequate power on this rail. |
| -12V |
Some older serial comm.
chipsets. |
EPIA-M, EPIA-M2
(EPIA-5000/800/V does not use the -12V for serial
ports) |
Check the serial driver
chipset. Modern serial chipsets do not use the -12V
rail. |
| -5V |
Obsolete |
NONE |
Removed per ATC12V power
supply guideline, used only for ISA cards. |
| +5SB |
Memory, vital sleep
functions. |
ALL |
Uses little
power. |
Q) How much power do I need for my
mini-ITX board? A) The EPIA-800 board consumes an average
of ~10W while the EPIA-M can consume an average of ~15W. However,
despite the fact that PW-120/200 has a larger capacity, it is more
efficient in the 10-15watt ranges than PW-60/70!. PW-120-M has an
efficiency of over 95%.
Q) Can I use this dc-dc power supply with
hard-drives, CD-ROMs and burners? A) For multiple 3.5"
drives or 5.25" CDROMs please look into our models with more Amps on
the 12V rail. Regular sized drives and CDROMS use the 12V rail for
motor spin-up. For laptop drives or slim-line CDROMS you don't need
power on the 12V rail, just 5V rail.
Peripherals power
consumption
Q) How much power does
a 7200 RPM drive needs? A) A 7200 RPM drive consumes about
10-20Watts, mostly from the 12V rail. A 5400 RPM drive
consumes less. Please refer to the manufacturer product spec for
detailed power consumption charts. If you plan on using multiple
3.5" drives, please use the PW-120/200 power supplies.
Q) How much power does a laptop drive
consume? A) Peak power consumption is only 5Watts with an
average power consumption of 2.5Watts. All our dc-dc adapters can
handle laptop drives, of course.
Q) How about CD-ROMS and DVD-ROMS and
slimCDs? A) Depending on CD-ROM type, your unit can
consume anywhere from 5W-20Watts. SlimCDs consume an average of
5Watts. When not in use, the power consumption drops to
0.1Watts.
Q) How about USB devices? A) Usually USB
devices consume under 5Watts, if more power is required by the
device, an external adaptor is used.
Q) What is the
power consumption of an CF disk? A) Less than 0.5 Watts!
CF disk are ideal for embedded applications. We do provide a
variety of CF to IDE adapters via our web site at
http://www.mini-box.com
Q) What is the power
consumption of an LCD display? A) Depending on model and
type, the power consumption is less than 2.5 Watts.
BATTERY/CAR OPERATION
Q: Does this
take a 12V input (like from a car), what's the minimum operating
voltage, and what kind of connections does it come
with?
A: Cars are
nasty operating environments, so while you may use this power supply
in a car, we do not recommend it as it will void your warranty. Read
below for more information, including the timeline for the release
of M1-ATX vehicle power supply.
Q) Can I use this DC-DC
converter with a lead acid battery? A) Lead acid batteries
can produce 14.4V when fully charged. Our DC-DC converter was
designed for 12V operation, however, it will work at 14.4V
without any problems. You can also put 2 diodes in series with the
DC-DC converter to drop the voltage by 1.5V or so. Radio Shack
sells them for $0.5. Please read below for more
info.
Q) What is the voltage operating range of the
PW-60/70? A) 10.5-15.5V. Below or above these voltages
undervoltage/overvoltage protection will shut down the power.
The boards cannot be damaged unless you apply more than
24V.
Q) How long will my mini-itx last from a
lead-acid battery? A) We tested a EPIA-800 board with a
small 12V 7AH battery and we were able to keep the system up for
10-12hous. With a regular car battery you could power the system
(without recharging) for about 1 week.
Q) Can I use this DC-DC
converter in a car? A) Cars can be nasty environments. If
the voltage will be in between 12-14.8, things will be fine.
However, cars can produce anywhere from 5-18V, especially when
using a weak battery. Again, few diodes should drop V(in) by 1-2
volts, but please make sure you have a good battery! :)
You
can use the ITPS (power sequencer and regulator) to further regulate
and control your computer power ON/OFF features in a car
environment. Also, by end of 2004, we will have the M1-ATX, a DC-DC
converter + power sequencer that operates from 6-30V while providing
strict voltage regulation on all power rails!
FORMFACTOR
Q) Are you going to
have a nano-ITX DC-DC converter? A) Yes.
Q:
Does this
come with the the ATX output plug? A: Yes, it
does come with an ATX connector. You can plug the board directly
into the motherboard or you can use an ATX extender cable, available
in most stores.
Q:
Does this
come with hard drive and floppy connectors? Some of your pictures
don't show cables! A:
Yes, all our DC-DC converters come with 2 HDD and 1 floppy
connectors. If you need more HDD connectors, you can use a
"Y-splitter" cable, which we carry.
Q) Do I have cables
for my Hard drives or floppy, I can't see them! A) Yes,
while it might not be shown in pictures, all power modules provide
one HDD and one Floppy connector. If you need more connectors,
please use a "Y" cable to split the outputs.
Q) What are the dimensions of your DC-DC adapters? A)
PW-60/60a measure 37x170mm, while the PW70/70a measure
57mmx86mm. PW-120-M is much smaller, please check the product pages
for detailed drawings!
Q) When plugged into the motherboard, how tall are they?
A) When plugged in, the PW-60/PW70 do not exceed the
height of your CPU+FAN assembly. The tallest components are still
your motherboard connectors.
Q) Can I plug in IDE
connectors while the PW-60/a is present? A)
Yes.
The VIA
mini-ITX boards come in 2 power configurations:
1) Lower right power
connector (EPIA-5000, 800, V, EPIA-CL and others) 2) Upper
right power connector (EPIA-M, EPIA-M2 and others)
For the first configuration, we
offer the PW-60/PW60a or PW-200-V, a DC-DC module that snaps
into the motherboard's power connector. For more information,
please go to http://www.mini-box.com/pw-60.htm
For the second configuration, we
offer the PW-70/PW-70a or PW-120-M, a DC-DC module that snaps
into the motherboard's power connector. For more information,
please go to http://www.mini-box.com/pw-70.htm
NOTE: Other C3/Celeron/P4
Athlon based motherboards can be powered by either model,
however, you might need an ATX extender cable.
DISTRIBUTORS/OEMs:
Note: Please visit our
distributor list at http:/www.mini-box.com for more
information.
Q) I like your stuff, how
can I become a distributor? A) Please send an email to
sales@mini-box.com, specify the qty you wish to purchase and
model type.
Q) What is the min. order I can place as
a distributor A) The min. order is as little as
$250
Q) Delivery
schedules? A) In qty of 100 unit, the orders are processed
in 2-3 business days, excluding holidays, FOB Fremont, CA, US.
In qty larger than 500 units, the order will take 8-12 weeks to
process, FOB Taiwan.
NOTE: Our dc-dc converters come
pre-packaged in boxes of 50 units. Unless you specify otherwise
boxes of 50 units will be the default method of
shipping.
Q) I am not a distributor or OEM, can I still buy your
product? A) Yes, you can order the product from our
on-line store. Overseas customers, please visit our distributor
list.. Small orders in
qty of 1-10 will be processed in ~24-48
hours
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